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joenot443 22 hours ago [-]
The article links to a series of letters between Fermat, Pascal, and Carcavi which are wonderfully intelligent and readable, while also deeply kind and personal.
> 1. I have been delighted to have had the thoughts conformed to those of M. Pascal, for I admire infinitely his genius and I believe him very capable of coming to the end of all that which he will undertake. The friendship that he offers me is so dear to me and so considerable that I must have no difficulty in making some use of it in the publishing of my Treatises.
> Our blows always continue and I am as glad as you in the admiration that our thoughts are arranged so exactly that it seems that they have taken one same route and make one same path
It makes me wonder if future generations will look back on correspondences between guys like Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie.
Perhaps future generations will reference certain threads here on HN.
mswphd 15 hours ago [-]
This does happen some on other websites. I've often seen people in math discuss things that Bill Thurston (a fields medalist) has posted on mathoverflow
Another example is how Godel wrote a letter to Von Neumann towards the end of his life. This letter contained, among other things, the (now very funny) question of whether a certain NP complete problem may be solvable in quadratic time.
Practically though, modern correspondence is often through a disjoint set of technologies, that (importantly) someone cleaning up the estate of a deceased person does not necessarily have access to. So it seems unlikely we'll get this kind of insight going forward (with notable exceptions, for example the Epstein emails).
Natsu 8 hours ago [-]
> It makes me wonder if future generations will look back on correspondences between guys like Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie.
We kinda had that, on Usenet, before spammers flooded it to death.
decremental 20 hours ago [-]
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skywal_l 1 days ago [-]
> a French gambler and intellectual socialite enlisted the help
Imagine Blaise Pascal and Pierre de Fermat teaming together to solve your problem.
benbreen 22 hours ago [-]
Just wanted to flag that the works of Ian Hacking, especially The Emergence of Probability (1975) and The Taming of Chance (1990) are excellent on this. Dense and challenging at times but also well written and the product of a very original mind.
The latter book has a Wikipedia page with some more info - was surprised to see Hacking not mentioned here since the featured article is partly based on his work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Taming_of_Chance
pjacotg 10 hours ago [-]
I'm busy reading a book [0] by Keith Devlin about the correspondence between Pascal and Fermat. It's called the unfinished game and has been really good so far. It goes through the letters and provides some context around them.
[0] https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/4443547-the-unfinishe...
The_Blade 23 hours ago [-]
Luca Pacioli invented (or really, put down on paper) double-entry accounting
it is funny how probability has always been way behind other maths. i got to use the Birthday problem at work, once, which made the math undergrad totally worth it
fortunately my Polymarket and Kalshi wagers are protected by AES et al
sorokod 22 hours ago [-]
In what way was it always behind? This work of Fermat and Pascal is ballpark contemporary to the development of calculus.
seanhunter 22 hours ago [-]
Right, and Cauchy is the person we have to thank for Bayes’ Theorem, and of course Euler, De Moivre, Poisson and Gauss for the Gaussian integral[1]. You can’t really get figures more central to mathematics than that.
[1] Athough Gauss apparently credited it to Laplace.
sorokod 20 hours ago [-]
Most of the names you mention belong to the next (18th) century.
Gauss worked out some sort of probability distribution too.
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c7b 22 hours ago [-]
As one lecturer put it: modern probability theory derived from two foundations - measure theory and gambling. The latter explains why it has long lacked mainstream mathematical recognition :)
But that's all in the past. Probability is absolutely established in math academia today, Fields medals and all. And despite its applied nature it's pervasive even in pure math.
AdmiralAsshat 22 hours ago [-]
Gambling is also (allegedly) responsible for giving us the sandwich[0] and the modern sushi roll.
> 1. I have been delighted to have had the thoughts conformed to those of M. Pascal, for I admire infinitely his genius and I believe him very capable of coming to the end of all that which he will undertake. The friendship that he offers me is so dear to me and so considerable that I must have no difficulty in making some use of it in the publishing of my Treatises.
> Our blows always continue and I am as glad as you in the admiration that our thoughts are arranged so exactly that it seems that they have taken one same route and make one same path
It makes me wonder if future generations will look back on correspondences between guys like Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie.
https://probabilityandfinance.com/pulskamp/Pascal/Sources/pa...
https://mathoverflow.net/users/9062/bill-thurston
note that he has been deceased for nearly 15 years now.
https://webusers.imj-prg.fr/~leila.schneps/grothendieckcircl...
There are many others for Grothendieck though.
Another example is how Godel wrote a letter to Von Neumann towards the end of his life. This letter contained, among other things, the (now very funny) question of whether a certain NP complete problem may be solvable in quadratic time.
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~odonnell/15455-s17/hartmanis-on-gode...
Practically though, modern correspondence is often through a disjoint set of technologies, that (importantly) someone cleaning up the estate of a deceased person does not necessarily have access to. So it seems unlikely we'll get this kind of insight going forward (with notable exceptions, for example the Epstein emails).
We kinda had that, on Usenet, before spammers flooded it to death.
Imagine Blaise Pascal and Pierre de Fermat teaming together to solve your problem.
The latter book has a Wikipedia page with some more info - was surprised to see Hacking not mentioned here since the featured article is partly based on his work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Taming_of_Chance
it is funny how probability has always been way behind other maths. i got to use the Birthday problem at work, once, which made the math undergrad totally worth it
fortunately my Polymarket and Kalshi wagers are protected by AES et al
[1] Athough Gauss apparently credited it to Laplace.
Gauss worked out some sort of probability distribution too.
But that's all in the past. Probability is absolutely established in math academia today, Fields medals and all. And despite its applied nature it's pervasive even in pure math.
[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Montagu,_4th_Earl_of_Sand...
There's a coffee-table book in there somewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Sealy_Gosset